New Virtues

[Taisie]

I wanted to start the discussion here so all of us could get the benefit of discussing and finding the best virtues. Here's the new virtues (unoffical):

http://docholidaymmo.com/2011/08/20/rise-of-isengard-virtue-changes-from-gamescom/

For minie I'm thinking of using:

Wisdom
Patience
Confidence
Innocence
Idealism


And for burg:

Charity
tolerance
innocence
discipline
determination

What do you guys think?

[Marithil]

There are many very good tanking virtues with these updates. I have been trying to determine which ones are better. A preliminary look at these have me thinking that my tanking traits will need some big changes. However, I have not seen many fantastic DPS virtues.

For tanking:

Zeal (12) +338 Morale, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +180 Armour
Valour (12) +338 Morale, +486.5 nCPR, +9 Migh
Innocence (12) +648 Physical Mitigation, +1034 Resistance Rating, +162 Tactical Mitigation
Patience (12?) +64.8 iCPR, +1034 Resistance Rating, +216 Physical Mitigation
Loyalty (12) +36 Vitality, +73 Power, +180 Armour
Justice (12?) +90 iCMR, +170 Morale, +324.4 nCMR
Honour (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +292 Tactical Mitigation, +9 Vitality
Empathy (12) +540 Armour – rest not shown
Discipline (12) +36 Might, +1034 Resistance Rating, +216 Physical Mitigation

For DPS

Valour (12) +338 Morale, +486.5 nCPR, +9 Might
Determination (12) +36 Agility, +67.5 iCMR, +86 Morale
Tolerance (12) +486 Tactical Mitigation, +18 Agility, +45 iCMR
Zeal (12) +338 Morale, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +180 Armour
Confidence (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +18 Will, +32.4 iCPR
Justice (12?) +90 iCMR, +170 Morale, +324.4 nCMR

For generic all around virtues

Zeal (12) +338 Morale, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +180 Armour
Wisdom (12) +36 Will, +48.6 iCPR, +621 Resistance Rating
Tolerance (12) +486 Tactical Mitigation, +18 Agility, +45 iCMR
Loyalty (12) +36 Vitality, +73 Power, +180 Armour
Confidence (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +18 Will, +32.4 iCPR
Justice (12?) +90 iCMR, +170 Morale, +324.4 nCMR
Valour (12) +338 Morale, +486.5 nCPR, +9 Might
Determination (12) +36 Agility, +67.5 iCMR, +86 Morale

But again, I haven't gone through them thoroughly. I am sure I'll narrow it down to 5 or 6 I'll rotate through my toons.

[Merowin]

For my burglar I'm looking at

•Zeal (12) +338 Morale, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +180 Armour
•Tolerance (12) +486 Tactical Mitigation, +18 Agility, +45 iCMR
•Innocence (12) +648 Physical Mitigation, +1034 Resistance Rating, +162 Tactical Mitigation
•Patience (12?) +64.8 iCPR, +1034 Resistance Rating, +216 Physical Mitigation
•Empathy (12) +540 Armour – rest not shown
•Compassion (12) +648 Physical Mitigation, +360.9 nCPR, +162 Tactical Mitigation

I really like the ICPR of patience, but it may not be enough to make a difference.

[Marithil]

Remember that stats are being streamlined per class now. So burg melee offense, I believe, will be based on agility just like hunters. Keep that in mind when selecting virtues.

[rolandarcturus]

As a general rule I really like the streamlining. Because I'm using an overpower tanking build, I may be forced to use slightly different stat primaries than my sword and board compatriots. I can only hope that with the streamlining I will still be able to be as efficient as I am now or even more so. The streamlining of resistances will definitely help though as it is one of my current weak spots, namely shadow resistance.

[Marithil]

*Slight derail*

-For you Roland-
http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdiaries/1386-rise-of-isengard-guardian-developer-diary/1386-rise-of-isengard-guardian-developer-diary-

You may want to reconsider many things with the guard, given changes to your class. And be aware that your rotation and build has as much to do with your class as it does with the other classes with you. (Check out the changes to Cappies, minstrels, and the other classes and their corresponding gear, when that information becomes available.) There is a lot changing and I don't think any class will be as effective unless they study the changes, and adapt to them. I have no idea what I am going to do for some of my classes, but more on that later.

[Taisie]

No, I just talked to someone from beta, burgs are ALL might now. They need to overdose on might.

[Marithil]

I know some people in beta as well *cough*... but I have never played a burg, I only know the rudimentary ideas behind it. Thanks for correcting me on the stat, it's getting hard to to remember all these new changes and keep them in line.

Which reminds me; I need to start a new thread...

[rolandarcturus]

Honestly, marithil. I've read and reread that post at least 4 times now. It basically just tells me the same thing over and over. I get new goodies no matter what build I choose, there are new perks for going overpower and might is still going to be an essential part of my build. The biggest goodie I see is the fact that I now will have a way of protecting my compatriots without the forced use of a shield. I'm probably going to do as I have always done, balance my stats so that I have no clear weakness by going part DPS in my stats and part tanking.